That would make the Savage a sub-average performer. In contrast, the 224 Valkyrie caused the range safety officer (who seemed to take a particular interest in the rifles I was shooting) to immediately comment on how loud the impact sound was when I was making hits. he keeps going. Copyright © 308AR.com 2023 I found little to complain about it if I was shooting correctly and doing my job it was slightly harder to spot misses than the 308 but the holes are tiny on paper . The new cartridge was tested in a moderately priced Savage (front)and a premium offering from JP Rifles. This round is relatively new to the scene, so it's just beginning to catch the attention of some shooters who've remained devoted to the tried-and-true .223 Remington. The recoil was a moot point in this test, and most hunters wont wear This novel design from Federal Premium is a fast-stepping .224-caliber cartridge designed for the AR-15, capable of pushing a 75-grain bullet to 3,000 fps. Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to get a hog like that with the M-2!!! I think the reason 308 makes sense in a bolt gun is because it has enough case capacity to push .30 cal bullets of a given weight as fast needed for specific applications when you don't need or want the velocity/recoil of a cartridge that could push said bullet faster. Some catch on while others fade into obscurity. Both loads are above the minimum "comfortable stability" factor of 1.5 at altitudes above 3200-3700ft. Trajectory: Though the two calibers use bullets of the same diameter, the .224 Valkyrie is capable of supporting longer, heavier designs for better aerodynamics, giving it a flatter, more dependable trajectory. What was the estimated energy and speed on impact at that range? I'll try to find the data on that - I've got a bunch of Valk data in my thread on that thing, and it's comparison to the Grendel popular loads. If you're curious about stability and twist rate, check out the excellent stability calculator on Berger Bullets' website. Powered by Invision Community. Plus, of course, there's a supply of 224 Valkyrie ammo from Federal, meaning you can take that brass and reuse it. Nosler rifles and ammunition are high quality, accurate, premium products and demand an accordingly premium price. This is a 26 inch 1-7 twist McGowen barrel. WebThe 224 Valkyrie uses standard .224 inches diameter bullets with common loads that range between 60 and 90-grains, and 90 being the most common so far. and you dam sho don't want to get in the middle of that Long story short, it was one very expensive day for the old man, those basker's fought to the death, when it was all said and done, they both dropped over DEAD! Most people seem to buy ARs for home defense or plinking, both of which the AR in 5.56 excels in doing. .224 Valkyrie is what happens when you take something already great and make it even better. WebThe .224 Valkyrie (5.641 mm) [5] cartridge is a .22 caliber (5.6 mm) rimless bottlenecked intermediate rifle cartridge, developed by Federal Premium Ammunition to rival the performance of the .22 Nosler, while still being compatible with modern sporting rifles (MSRs). This picture is a 10 shot group at 200 yards with 68gr Hornady HPBT and RL15 while dialing in the scope. Not quite. We'd go pick it up with tweezers, q-tips and zip-lock bags Yeah! Clear editor. is the case upon which the 6.8 SPC was based. He aint but 10 yards in it laying down, sucker is still alive and breathing and kicking a little. I did, however, ask Sierra about the stability of the new 95gr SMK out of an 18" 1/7 twist barrel, and their ballistic technician said I'd be fine with that combination. You must log in or register to reply here. Based on the 6.8 SPC case, shortened to 1.600-inch, the .224 Valkyrie uses a 30-degree shoulder for headspacing. We've talked a lot about 224 Valkyrie and 22 Nosler, but what about the cartridge they're supposed to replace in the chamber of your AR-15? This means that you can use the same rifle for both short Using a .245 G7 BC for the Nosler 85 RDF, and their velocity claim of 2750fps, we see the 22 Nosler 85gr staying supersonic at1055 yards. Nosler does a lot of comparing 223 Rem with 22 Nosler, and it's true that the 22 Nosler kicks the butt of a lot of standard 223 Rem loads, with their quoted velocities of 2650 for a 75gr bullet out of 223 Rem and 2950 for a 75 out of an 18" 22 Nosler. is the case upon which the 6.8 SPC was based. Unlike the new rifle, though, this one was actually chambered in 308 and based on the "Large Frame AR" platform. I'm not an AR guy per se but its fun as hell. Thats like saying one of your AIs are a standard factory gun. You are using an out of date browser. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. A new large format pistol from the oldest gun manufacturer in the world. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. This new cartridge, which is really just a modification of a cartridge thats more than a century old, was submitted to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI). for example; the Federal Premium Gold Medal Like []. The big difference, however, was recoil. Before the Valkyrie, .308 and 6.5mm rifles dominated the competition scene thanks to the inherent accuracy of their cartridge design. But, like with the .223 Rem. As you can see from the numbers above, the .224 Valkyrie consistently held muzzle energies around 1,450 ft-lbs or more, while the .223 Remington was in the mid to As I wrote when I edited the 13th edition of Cartridges of the World in 2012: While the cartridge [22 PDK] does not offer a substantial advantage over the .22-250 Rem. In that case then why not go with a smaller case that will get the job done. WebRight now I wouldn't touch .224 Valkyrie with a 10 foot pole. WebCompared to Valkyrie, the 6.5 Grendel has more than doubled the heavy kinetic energy of a 30-30 cartridge, and almost 4x the point of 75-grain other hunting loads at 300 yards, it Oh yeah, i'm sure it would have been deadlier. All four 224 Valkyrie factory loads were tested in each rifle, and surprisingly, there was not a lot of variation in velocities even though there was a 2-inch difference in barrel length. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. all i had was a straight on head shot, so i let er rip and he goes down. When I shot Team safari we paid attention to the 223 vs the 224, it was easily 5 to 1, For me ONLY (others do whatever works for you) -. [4] See also 5 mm caliber List of AR platform cartridges References Web102K views 5 years ago. Both rifles had effectively identical optics, and while the 308 Win AR is set up as more of a fighting carbine with Magpul MOE handguards and a fixed front sight base he stunk too bad for me to mess with. Sure, 3500fps sounds cool on paper, and if you want to have to carry your steel targets even farther out to avoid cratering and damage, pushing every bullet out at that velocity can be fun. The 224 Valkyrie is based on the 6.8 SPC case. Which .224 Valkyrie chamber is the one that nothing is wrong with? At 500 yards, its still cooking at 1,994 fps and carries 1,422 fps at 1,000 yards. The hog from hell, 224 Valkyrie vs 400 pound hog - Hunting - 308AR.com Community All Activity Home The Sportsmens Den Hunting The hog from hell, 224 I told him to get his light out and keep his weapon drawn, i turned my weapon light back on and we go in the grass. By shortening the case and changing the shoulder, like Hornady did when transforming the .308 Win./30 TC to the 6.5 Creedmoor, it created a cartridge compatible with very high BC bullets, that will outperform its parents. It seems that new rounds are springing up left and right, especially in the AR platform. However, the new millennium trend is shorter, sharp-shouldered cartridges that will accept high BC bullets, and still fit in short actions. I had been worried that when used out of a shorter barrel (in the context of long range shooting, even a 20" barrel can be considered "short"), the velocity numbers would drop off a cliff. (r.) For tactical applications, the 90-grain Fusion load for the 224 Valkyrie is the best option. Though still shy of the Creedmoor ballistically, from an AR-15 its as close as youre going to getat least until something new and even more specialized comes along. Assuming a constant 10mph wind, the difference in wind drift between the 22 Nosler 85 and the 224 Valkyrie shooting a Berger 90 VLD at 1000 yards is about the same as the difference between Hornady's 5.56 Superformance 75 and the 22 Nosler 85 RDF. To help you get caught up, we've put together a quick guide with all the basics you need to know about .224 Valkyrie rifle cartridges. Instead of the .422 rim diameter of the .30 Rem. This hog come out on my shooting lane all the way at the end about 150 yards, i thought it was a bear when i seen it. I'm still waiting for someone to introduce the 224x45, created by necking down the 6x45 to shoot 5.56mm bullets. When designing 6.8 SPC, the folks behind the cartridge tested, as I understand it, everything from .224 to .30 cal. What state was this in? IMO I just don't see its usefulness in a bolt rifle. Target shooters, I think, will love the 224 Valkyrie, especially if they are using the AR15 platform. For the guy shooting beyond 300, theres a distinct advantage in wind deflection. Incidentally, if you combine the overall performance of both rifles, you get an average precision of 1.40 MOA, thus confirming my 1.5-MOA average postulation. Weight Empty: 8 lbs 3.2 oz. Federal's 224 Valkyrie has all of these features and more it fits in the more popular AR15 magwell as opposed to the AR10/SR25 length magwell, it is cheaper, and it has even lower recoil. Receive exclusive deals, new product announcements and need to know information. Accordingly, you haven't and probably won't see a whole lot of super light, super-fast loads for the 224 Valkyrie, because those more lightly constructed bullets have a reputation for not holding up to being spun so much. In a time when finding a receipt for $99 cases of ammo from 2001 can cause me to weep for the prices of old, shooting more for less is a good thing. Bullet Weight: .224 Valkyrie. Well, just after the turn of the 21st century, an enterprising wildcatter from Illinois by the name of Roy Winnett created the 22 PDK (Prairie Dog Killer.) Yeah, here we go, 98 will be your back-up. But one way to get better terminal ballistics is to shoot a heavier/longer bullet of the same caliber, and 6.8 SPC, from what I have seen, shortens the effective range of the M4 instead of lengthening it while 224 Valkyrie increases both terminal effectiveness and range. I have no problem getting to 1000 yds. 224 VALKYRIE- Effect of barrel length on velocity New cartridges come and go. Even if we acknowledge that most of the Nosler product is match grade stuff with a heavier match bullet and move up to affordable brass cased 223 Rem with a 75gr BTHP, comparable Nosler ammo costs more than twice as much. Finally, theres the bullet. he cut one strip and 6 inches wide and i bet it weighed 20 pounds. User Agreement remains the best option in the AR-15. Another consideration regarding velocity: if you reload, you'll probably find that the best (most accurate) 22 Nosler loads aren't the fastest. Curious what everyone thinks the fate of the .224 Valkyrie will be between it's problematic start with the 90 grain ammo problems and now the 6 ARC being the new AR flavor of the year. The cartridge was specifically designed for the AR platform, therefore it makes no sense to put it in a bolt action. Whether this would apply to other barrels of a different manufacture is unknown. Both Federal and Nosler appear to be using G1 drag profiles for their trajectory calculations, which give more optimistic numbers than one is likely to encounter in the field. Those who live in the generalized world will be quick to point out the 22 Nosler already does this. Given that we're looking at shooting heavier bullets at lower velocities than the 22 Nosler, which has a stated barrel life of 2000 rounds for target and benchrest use or 4000 rounds for competition, I am strongly inclined to believe that the 224 Valkyrie will have moderately increased barrel life compared to 22 Nosler. I've had a box of Berger 90gr VLDs sitting around for almost a decade, and it looks like I'll finally be able to use it. WebHere we take the .224 Valkyrie head to head with the 6.8 SPC. We've spent more than enough time discussing why I think 224 Valkyrie sounds good on paper. Keep your gear handy when it's not on your belt. Reloaders are going to like 224 Valkyrie. Both cartridges are supported by data, with the 22 Nosler data coming straight from Nosler and some of the best 224 Valkyrie data coming from Sierra Bullets. Did I tell you that? A 22-24" 6.5 creed gas gun gun should have no problem pushing those bullets to 2600. In my experience with others' rifles it wasn't uncommon to get 2-5 MOA results with the heavies. Same Day Shipping when order is placed before 1PM EST. Ive ran the FGMM 90s out to 850yds with repeatable hits; havent had the chance to go further. he had his grand daughter and wanted her to see it. You are failing to comprehend the point. LOL, I wish I had that on tape! The 224 Valkyries bullet is inherently long, thin, and ballistically efficient. We have good G7 numbers from Berger for their VLD Target line. As a gun writer I try to predict which ones will take off. However, I would be remiss in discussing the 224 Valkyrie if I did not talk about the 22 Nosler. 224 Valkyrie vs. 5.5645 Trajectory. The initial screw up by Federal is a valid point. The main reason for the drastic differences in trajectory at 1,000 A lot of shooters have figured this out, and this is I think the biggest reason why 224 Valkyrie is here to stay. LOL My little 98 Husky 4100 Lightweight shoots awesome too, I laid down some amazing groups with that thing this summer, once I put that limb saver butt pad on her, but I never realized how bad the trigger is on that thing! While I am not saying that the 308 Win rifle is difficult to shoot - I've turned it over to numerous new shooters without worry that they'll end up with scope bite - it is undeniable that the 224 Valkyrie had far less recoil. The biggest up-front cost of getting into a new caliber is the rifle or perhaps the barrel/bolt/magazine combination if it's designed to fit in an existing platform, but the biggest long term cost if you actually shoot your new rifle is the ammo. There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. 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We can see this from their load recommendations. i scoped it and seen it was a big hog. could probably make it happen with 153's at around 2400fps. JavaScript is disabled. just wear your earplugs, lol, when that big hog charges you and 98, he will open up on all that ham and prolly melt that barrel! Still breaking it in and working on load development but what I have shot so far is working great. I love it in bolt action and shoot it all the time. The 224 Valkyrie was engineered to do a specific thing better than any commercially available AR-15 cartridge, and that thing is not general in nature. Either way, 22 Nosler is about three to five times the price of the cheapest new production 55gr brass case .223 Rem, the cartridge 22 Nosler is meant to be better than. And I have shot the 224V to beyond 2000 yards with success. Honest question: How do you track hits and misses at that kind of range with something as small as 224V? Predator hunters and those needing the flattest available cartridge inside 300 yards are in this group. If you like shooting 308 Win and for some reason haven't jumped on the 6.5CM bandwagon, you'll love 224 Valkyrie, if only because the trajectories are so similar that you won't have to spend a ton of time memorizing a bunch of new holdovers and you'll have a better time dealing with wind, too. This is where the 224V starts to make its superiority known over the 22N. But there are two things missing from that equation: 5.56 loads and Hornady Superformance. That explains a lot of the problems I have heard of. There is that saying "You only get one chance to make a first impression" I think the biggest problem with the 224V is it didn't live up to the hype when it first came out and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth after a lot of time, money and effort put into it. The MPA mags have 14 round capacity. Currently I'm waiting for my barrel maker to finish my 6.5 Grendel barrel as I'm going to build one of those as well. Impressive little round. Hornady Superformance ammunition uses special Hornady Superformance powder, and the numbers they give for a 5.56 NATO Superformance Match 75gr BTHP from a 20" barrel are 2910fps, only 40fps shy of the Nosler numbers from an 18" barrel. The new 22 Nosler 85gr RDF is by no means bad, but it's no match for the slipperiness of a 90 or 95.

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